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Christina Blackwell ACE Writ 8:00am-9:50am
1. I liked Erich Fromm’s Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem because it is and easy read; he use examples that would be familiar with a wide variety audience.
7. A child learns as early as he or she is able to comprehend that to do what mommy or daddy said is good and not to do what mommy or daddy said is bad. They do not quite understand the terms yet but they learn the concept of disobedience and obedience early on in life. Most people are conditioned in this same type of fashion and they see the benefits in doing what you are suppose so they continue. On the other hand there are people feel bound by rules who are known as rebels. Rebels are people who choose to do things their own way, which often times means an act or acts of disobedience. That sometimes entails a small statement of disobeying their parents or as far as disobeying the law. In an essay written by Erich Fromm, “Disobedience as psychological and moral problem”, rebels are seen as the people who have helped society develop or evolve. It describes obedience as a virtue and disobedience as a vice. This essay was written in order to refute this known belief. It was written very well in order to hold readers attention; with a variety of sentence structure and use of well known examples but the way in which the examples are used might not settle well with readers.
1. The essay that I chose is “opinions and social pressure” which makes really good points although there are many times that it is drawn out and repetitive.
8. Individuality and the free will to make our own decisions is something that is very prized in our society, but are we really free and following our own choices? The shocking thing is though we think we are, we are not. Whether we realize it or not, we are, have and will always (or to some extent) been under the constraint of social forces even to an extreme case the decisions made are hardly concurrent to our own individual thoughts but thoughts that are planted there that we think are our own. Solomon E. Asch’s “Opinions and Social Pressure” examines the extent to which social forces have the power to hinder people’s opinions, and although the author makes very good there are many times that it is drawn out and repetitive which draws away from the central idea of the essay.
wendy cordova 1. 1. Group minds. Group minds is straight forward that speaks on the ideologies of western thought, and individualism making it an effective essay.
7. 7. I agree with the content I think western ideologies are redundant and they do not impress me. This concept that we think we are free because we are labeled as free so therefore are individual is false. We still are highly encouraged by social, political, and religious groups. I think that this idea is easy to incorporate with everyday life because it happens all the time thinking twice on instinct and pleasing people instead doing what feels right. I think that there is a relationship between the people that influence as in mothers, and family because that has a deeper mean than just something we have had try incorporating to life, this is influences that has been determinate. I think that Lessing should have addressing the difference between those but also how it does overall have an effect us as human beings.
Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm takes an interesting stance against the act of obedience and renders the essence of disobedience as a virtue rather than a vice.
“ Human history began with an act of disobedience, and it is not unlikely that it will be, terminated by an act of obedience.” “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm takes a stance against the act of obedience and renders the essence of disobedience as a virtue rather than a vice. The author’s main goal targets society’s stereotypical view of the act of disobedience and argues the positive outcomes of insubordination. The article has sufficient evidence to defend the claims presented however, the author showcases his ideas in a bias form and does not relate them universally.
1)I chose Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiments on Obedience because I thought it brought up a good point about Milgram’s research.
8)In 1974 Stanley Milgram performed an experiment to measure the extent to which an ordinary citizen would succomb to the likes of an authoritative figure. Participants were told that the experiement was to test the effects of punishment on learning and were instructed by the experimenter to administer shocks of varying voltages to another unseen participant, depending on the correctness of responses that were given. The experiment has raised numerous issues on the ethics of experimentation and was criticized by many for its unconventional means for obtaining its conclusion. Although the Milgram Experiment raises several pertinent issues on nature of obedience to authority, some critics even question the validity of the experiment’s results. The Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiments on Obedience, by Moti Nissani introduces the idea of a “conceptual shift” within certain studies which could potentially misrepresent the conclusions such as those in Milgram’s research. Through the presentation of various psychology experiments and cohesiveness of the structure of his essay, Nissani creates a compelling argument to demonstrate the flawed conclusion of Milgram’s research
1. Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
8. In Erich Fromm’s article, Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem, there is a clear and logical assessment of the virtues that disobedience has brought about in mankind’s known history. Obedience is usually thought of as a vice, usually associated with discipline, thus an essential element that should be carried within a person in order to pursue their life long ambitions. As children obedience is recognized as a virtue and were reminded of that through punishment after misbehaving. Religious institutions constantly remind us of the importance in obliging to their regulations for the ultimate compensation, such as life after death. Nonetheless, in this article Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
1. Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
8. In Erich Fromm’s article, Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem, there is a clear and logical assessment of the virtues that disobedience has brought about in mankind’s known history. Obedience is usually thought of as a vice, usually associated with discipline, thus an essential element that should be carried within a person in order to pursue their life long ambitions. As children obedience is recognized as a virtue and were reminded of that through punishment after misbehaving. Religious institutions constantly remind us of the importance in obliging to their regulations for the ultimate compensation, such as life after death. Nonetheless, in this article Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
1. The essay I liked the most is “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm. This essay is intriguing because it offers a new point of view about the subject of obedience and tries to explain why at times disobedience is a virtue instead of a vice. 8. A single tree amidst a myriad of other fruitful trees stands there in brilliance and awe. The only difference between this tree and the many others is that this tree is solely off limits: whoever eats from it will surely die. Eve, the first woman according to the Biblical story, takes from the tree and eats, then offers some to Adam, the first man. This single act of disobedience cost Adam and Eve the Garden of Eden; this act of disobedience began human history, according to Erich Fromm. His article, “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” sets the notion that history began through an act of disobedience and will end with an act of obedience, but uses controversial and contradicting means to present his argument.
1. I enjoyed reading "Group Minds" because Doris Lessing gets straight to the point in her essay and doesn't try to work around it by using many exmples and states her point clear and understandable.
2. "Group Minds" by Doris Lessing, emerges the idea about how people are easily peer pressure by certain groups. Since we live in a free country or a least that's how we are label to be, we assume we are all individuals in this world, but in reality we may not be. Only a few can call themselves individuals, but it becomes a true factor when we say that we seek groups as a place to belong to in society. We find these groups to be a place where we cannot feel a sense of solidarism and a way to not be judge by others. Doris Lessing raises valid points on how we react when we are with certain groups, rather when we are our own individual.
Mai Jiang 1. The Perils of Obedience by Stanley Milgram This experiment presents us how obedient a person will be when he/ she gets the order from a authority figure.
8. “No, I refuse to do this experiment. Let me out!” The learner creams. “‘You better answer and get it over with. We can’t stay here all night.’” Mr. Barra says calmly. “There are the only words he directs to the learner in the course of an hour. Never again does he speak to him.” This is the experiment which Milgram conducts to observe whether an ordinary person will be obidence when the authority gives the order, even though it is against their will.
#2 While Fromm arguments that “obedience is a virtue and that disobedience is a vise” illustrating this through religious beliefs and examples, the author disregards that obedience is a central aspect to reach harmony in society and neglects to reach out to a larger non-believer audience.
Thou shall honor one’s father and mother. Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shall not bear false witness against one’s neighbor. These are the most known amendments of the bible and ironically, the least followed in today’s society. Some people might argument that the ten commandments of God are inaccurate and its origins are false. Others might argument that such were, and continue to be a way for the clergy to manipulate the actions of the devoted believers’. Regardless of its origins and a possible conspiracy theory, the reality of the Ten Commandments is that these have turned into laws all around the world in order to prevent a reign of chaos. If compared critically, the Ten Commandments serve the same function in society than our current laws and policies, to protect every individual against threat or harm. Similarly, it is illegal for a person to assault his or her parents, to kill, to be married to more than one woman at once, to steal and to press false accusations to another person in the court of law. In this manner, the Ten Commandments along with the common laws and policies of the world strive to protect the well-being of society members. While Fromm arguments that “obedience is a virtue and that disobedience is a vise” illustrating this through religious beliefs and examples, the author disregards that obedience is a central aspect to reach harmony in society and neglects to reach out to a larger non-believer audience.
1.)The article that I will critique is "The Perils of Obedience" by Stanley Milgram.
8.)In "The Perils of Obedience," Stanley Milgram describes what occured during the eperiment he conducted at Yale University. According to Milgram humans obey authority unconditionally as long as they are not held responsible for any negative consequences. The form in which Milgram wrote the article leads the audience to believe that the subjects in the experiment will continue shocking the other "participant" as long as the authority figure agrees to take responsibility for the other persons health. In the video of the actual experiment it is clear that the subjects are not only concerned about not assuming any responsibility but of the other "participants" health too. The analogy that Milgram presents is biased because he the results he uses got from only one scenario to apply it to all humanity.
Alma Soriano (I forgot to write my name in the previous entry)
1.)The article that I will critique is "The Perils of Obedience" by Stanley Milgram.
8.)In "The Perils of Obedience," Stanley Milgram describes what occured during the eperiment he conducted at Yale University. According to Milgram humans obey authority unconditionally as long as they are not held responsible for any negative consequences. The form in which Milgram wrote the article leads the audience to believe that the subjects in the experiment will continue shocking the other "participant" as long as the authority figure agrees to take responsibility for the other persons health. In the video of the actual experiment it is clear that the subjects are not only concerned about not assuming any responsibility but of the other "participants" health too. The analogy that Milgram presents is biased because he the results he uses got from only one scenario to apply it to all humanity.
Liliana Siguenza Group Minds by Doris Lessing, profoundly states in a concise manner how opinions and decisions are affected within a group setting and individualism is completely elapsed.
A group of about seven to nine men wait for a psychological experiment. The individuals are told by the experimenter that they well be comparing the lengths of lines. At the beginning, of the experiment everyone seems to agree with the lengths of the lines, but after the third round an individual becomes the minority. The man disagrees that the set of lines are the same, but he is not aware that the answers of the majority were prearranged. As he hears the responses of the others he seems unease and begins to feel intimated and hesitates when he shares his answers. He begins to question himself even though he’s right. The experiment represents the ideas of Doris Lessing, as it demonstrates that even though we claim that we are “free individuals,” our behavior within a group clearly does not support it due to individualism is slowly swayed into group thoughts instead of one’s individual thought. Western societies claim that we are free individuals, but it is beyond that, as our behavior does not fulfill this ideology. Lessing states some vital points, society may not be aware of their actions or the act of influence that a group has. In groups settings it is difficult to maintain one’s own contrary opinion as groups’ pressure and hinder opinions.
I liked the perils of Obedience because of the message it is sending out, which is humans are weak against authority. They can even kill a person of others give them the ok.
People hate being shown their weaknesses and being told that they have them. In "The Perils of Obedience" Stanley Milgram shows just this that humans are very weak. They will do just about anything if an authoritative figure tells them to do so. They do this because they don't feel that they are responsible for what they do but, this shows how the human mind can be manipulated so easily. The message that is sent out is very strong but, the way the experiment was done could have been better.
1. The essay I liked the most was "Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem" by Erich Fromm. I liked this essay because Fromm included many valid points that I agree with and used imagery and good examples to do so. 8. Many different factors have contributed to the development of humans and their societies over the past thousands of years. This includes geographical changes, the advancement of science and technology, and the creation of new belief systems. Some aspects cannot be controlled by humans themselves, but others are the sole creation of humanity. When a new idea is created, an individual must step away from what is the cultural norm or popular belief. This is why I agree with the points presented by Erich Fromm in his essay "Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral problem". Fromm believes that without disobedience there would have been little human development even going as far as to say "human history began with an act of disobedience". He uses many valid points to support his ideas, and the way in which he incorporates the examples is interesting informative.
Yesenia Emestica Writing 2 1.Disobedience as a psychological and moral problem: The author explained how civilization looked down upon disobedience, however though disobedience is seen as a sin, a person has only become free through acts of disobedience by learning to say no to power. 2. Since the beginning of mankind, humanity has always perceived disobedience as a sin. Though disobedience is rejected by society we have witnessed how the acts of disobedience have helped our civilization move forward, opened our eyes and help us gain our individuality.
Luis Ceja 1) The article that caught my attention was Opinions and Social Pressure by Solomon E. ASCH because it shows and articulates good points of how social influences shape ones practices however there are ways one can argue against it.
2) Solomon E. ASCH shows and articulates good points in his article Opinions and Social Pressure on how social influences shape every persons practices, judgement and beliefs. However one may argue that even though this does occur at times, when an individual gives up his self opinion and thoughts in exchange for the groups, it does not occur all the times. There are times when an individual was strong enough in Solomon's experiment and was able to stand on his own with his believes and logic and did not fold into the groups social pressure.
1.The essay that stood out the most was the one called “The Perils of Obedience: Stanley Milgram” The Milgram Experiment is a fundamental experiment towards understanding human obedience I agree with the findings because many people are raised to listen to a higher power, the experiment was artificial but to some extent this experiement is valid towards understanding human behavior.
2.During the Hitler and Stalin Era many young men joined the nazi regime and followed obediently orders from higher commanding officers to execute many innocent people. The Milgram experiment was established to understand why people would inflict damage to others if ordered by higher commanding officers in this case a scientist. This experiment reveals fundamental results towards understanding human obedience, but many argue that this experiment does not have the sense of high urgency people faced in past times. During the experiment many people felt remorse but would go on to inflicting high amounts of pain through electrical shocks as they were given the role of a teacher that would inflict pain to increase the learners knowledge. The recorded data helped Milgram understand that similarly to the Stalin and Hitler era many people would obey since they were the mediators of the higher commanding officers and understood that the responsibility was left to the higher power. The disobedient subjects were rare and essential towards understading that disobedience can at some point be a good characteristics but at certain times.
1. The essay I like the most was the “Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiment on Obedience” because it describes the bias that can exist within the this experiment. 2. The review of the Milgram experiment portrays a very important aspect not likely considered within the original study. Yes, many subjects of the experiment went along with the applying shocks to the other person, but the fact that they were at an IV school such as Yale made the experiment more credible. When the experiment was conducted in another private institution the percentage of subjects who finished performing the shocks went down. “Authority and Excuses” ties in with this review because it states certain aspects of “authority” that might affect people, and the way they acted during the Milgram experiment. The article shows that the subjects were people trying to do a common good by assisting in the experiment but within this study they ended up doing something considered morally wrong. 3. “They had every reason to believe that the experiment was conducted by responsible people. They had never before heard of tortures, killings, inhumanity, or immorality associated with modern scientific experiments.” (61) 4. The essay was presented in a very adequate academic form. The beginning of the essay summarizes the Stanley Milgram experiment, which allows for the reader to understand the experiment even if they have no previous knowledge of this information. Variation of length between the paragraphs is well connected to the essay because there are certain parts that are more important than others. Overall the form is precise, and it allows for the argument especially in the conclusion to be stronger. 5. For instance, in the conclusion the author says, “…what people cannot be counted on is to realize that a seemingly benevolent authority is in fact malevolent, even when they are faced with overwhelming evidence that suggests that this authority is indeed malevolent.” (61) 6. The approach the author took to present the information was the best manner. For example, specific facts stated at the end of his article makes the content more credible. In this case the form is important in order to get the message across the audience. The length of the essay also provides with a quick sense of the argument without having to read a lot of material that might get the reader to drift away before getting to the conclusion. 7. The content of the “Review of the Stanley Milgram experiment,” allows us to realize that there are other perspectives to this experiment. The study itself represents human beings to be people with lack of moral values and in some sense malevolent. Both the content and the form fit perfectly in allowing the reader to get a different sense of what the experiment is all about. 8. Moti Nissani’s article the “Review of Stanley Milgram Experiments on Obedience” depicts aspects that could have affected the subjects of the experiment to act accordingly. Although the Milgram experiment does seem to prove the point that people tend to follow authority, other aspects are not taken in consideration. Nissani says that the “…focuses for the most part on the reality of obedience, not on its underlying causes. “ Therefore; the Milgram experiment does not present a counterargument, and Nissani brings forth a different idea.
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Christina Blackwell
ACE Writ
8:00am-9:50am
1.
I liked Erich Fromm’s Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem because it is and easy read; he use examples that would be familiar with a wide variety audience.
7. A child learns as early as he or she is able to comprehend that to do what mommy or daddy said is good and not to do what mommy or daddy said is bad. They do not quite understand the terms yet but they learn the concept of disobedience and obedience early on in life. Most people are conditioned in this same type of fashion and they see the benefits in doing what you are suppose so they continue. On the other hand there are people feel bound by rules who are known as rebels. Rebels are people who choose to do things their own way, which often times means an act or acts of disobedience. That sometimes entails a small statement of disobeying their parents or as far as disobeying the law. In an essay written by Erich Fromm, “Disobedience as psychological and moral problem”, rebels are seen as the people who have helped society develop or evolve. It describes obedience as a virtue and disobedience as a vice. This essay was written in order to refute this known belief. It was written very well in order to hold readers attention; with a variety of sentence structure and use of well known examples but the way in which the examples are used might not settle well with readers.
Laura Roman
Ace Writing
8:00-9:50 am
1. The essay that I chose is “opinions and social pressure” which makes really good points although there are many times that it is drawn out and repetitive.
8. Individuality and the free will to make our own decisions is something that is very prized in our society, but are we really free and following our own choices? The shocking thing is though we think we are, we are not. Whether we realize it or not, we are, have and will always (or to some extent) been under the constraint of social forces even to an extreme case the decisions made are hardly concurrent to our own individual thoughts but thoughts that are planted there that we think are our own. Solomon E. Asch’s “Opinions and Social Pressure” examines the extent to which social forces have the power to hinder people’s opinions, and although the author makes very good there are many times that it is drawn out and repetitive which draws away from the central idea of the essay.
wendy cordova
1. 1. Group minds. Group minds is straight forward that speaks on the ideologies of western thought, and individualism making it an effective essay.
7. 7. I agree with the content I think western ideologies are redundant and they do not impress me. This concept that we think we are free because we are labeled as free so therefore are individual is false. We still are highly encouraged by social, political, and religious groups. I think that this idea is easy to incorporate with everyday life because it happens all the time thinking twice on instinct and pleasing people instead doing what feels right. I think that there is a relationship between the people that influence as in mothers, and family because that has a deeper mean than just something we have had try incorporating to life, this is influences that has been determinate. I think that Lessing should have addressing the difference between those but also how it does overall have an effect us as human beings.
Stephani Guzman
Writing 2 Ace
Robert Krut
Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm takes an interesting stance against the act of obedience and renders the essence of disobedience as a virtue rather than a vice.
“ Human history began with an act of disobedience, and it is not unlikely that it will be, terminated by an act of obedience.” “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm takes a stance against the act of obedience and renders the essence of disobedience as a virtue rather than a vice. The author’s main goal targets society’s stereotypical view of the act of disobedience and argues the positive outcomes of insubordination. The article has sufficient evidence to defend the claims presented however, the author showcases his ideas in a bias form and does not relate them universally.
1)I chose Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiments on Obedience because I thought it brought up a good point about Milgram’s research.
8)In 1974 Stanley Milgram performed an experiment to measure the extent to which an ordinary citizen would succomb to the likes of an authoritative figure. Participants were told that the experiement was to test the effects of punishment on learning and were instructed by the experimenter to administer shocks of varying voltages to another unseen participant, depending on the correctness of responses that were given. The experiment has raised numerous issues on the ethics of experimentation and was criticized by many for its unconventional means for obtaining its conclusion. Although the Milgram Experiment raises several pertinent issues on nature of obedience to authority, some critics even question the validity of the experiment’s results. The Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiments on Obedience, by Moti Nissani introduces the idea of a “conceptual shift” within certain studies which could potentially misrepresent the conclusions such as those in Milgram’s research. Through the presentation of various psychology experiments and cohesiveness of the structure of his essay, Nissani creates a compelling argument to demonstrate the flawed conclusion of Milgram’s research
Carly Gutierrez
Ace Writ 2
1. Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
8. In Erich Fromm’s article, Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem, there is a clear and logical assessment of the virtues that disobedience has brought about in mankind’s known history. Obedience is usually thought of as a vice, usually associated with discipline, thus an essential element that should be carried within a person in order to pursue their life long ambitions. As children obedience is recognized as a virtue and were reminded of that through punishment after misbehaving. Religious institutions constantly remind us of the importance in obliging to their regulations for the ultimate compensation, such as life after death. Nonetheless, in this article Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
Carly Gutierrez
Ace Writ 2
1. Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
8. In Erich Fromm’s article, Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem, there is a clear and logical assessment of the virtues that disobedience has brought about in mankind’s known history. Obedience is usually thought of as a vice, usually associated with discipline, thus an essential element that should be carried within a person in order to pursue their life long ambitions. As children obedience is recognized as a virtue and were reminded of that through punishment after misbehaving. Religious institutions constantly remind us of the importance in obliging to their regulations for the ultimate compensation, such as life after death. Nonetheless, in this article Erich Fromm writes a comprehensive analytical argument that reestablishes obedience as a vice and reexamines disobedience as threshold for individuality and freedom from social and political constraints.
E. Jonathan Guzman
1. The essay I liked the most is “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” by Erich Fromm. This essay is intriguing because it offers a new point of view about the subject of obedience and tries to explain why at times disobedience is a virtue instead of a vice.
8. A single tree amidst a myriad of other fruitful trees stands there in brilliance and awe. The only difference between this tree and the many others is that this tree is solely off limits: whoever eats from it will surely die. Eve, the first woman according to the Biblical story, takes from the tree and eats, then offers some to Adam, the first man. This single act of disobedience cost Adam and Eve the Garden of Eden; this act of disobedience began human history, according to Erich Fromm. His article, “Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem,” sets the notion that history began through an act of disobedience and will end with an act of obedience, but uses controversial and contradicting means to present his argument.
Anna Zepeda
1. I enjoyed reading "Group Minds" because Doris Lessing gets straight to the point in her essay and doesn't try to work around it by using many exmples and states her point clear and understandable.
2. "Group Minds" by Doris Lessing, emerges the idea about how people are easily peer pressure by certain groups. Since we live in a free country or a least that's how we are label to be, we assume we are all individuals in this world, but in reality we may not be. Only a few can call themselves individuals, but it becomes a true factor when we say that we seek groups as a place to belong to in society. We find these groups to be a place where we cannot feel a sense of solidarism and a way to not be judge by others. Doris Lessing raises valid points on how we react when we are with certain groups, rather when we are our own individual.
Mai Jiang
1. The Perils of Obedience by Stanley Milgram
This experiment presents us how obedient a person will be when he/ she gets the order from a authority figure.
8. “No, I refuse to do this experiment. Let me out!” The learner creams.
“‘You better answer and get it over with. We can’t stay here all night.’” Mr. Barra says calmly. “There are the only words he directs to the learner in the course of an hour. Never again does he speak to him.”
This is the experiment which Milgram conducts to observe whether an ordinary person will be obidence when the authority gives the order, even though it is against their will.
Juan Noriega
#2 While Fromm arguments that “obedience is a virtue and that disobedience is a vise” illustrating this through religious beliefs and examples, the author disregards that obedience is a central aspect to reach harmony in society and neglects to reach out to a larger non-believer audience.
Thou shall honor one’s father and mother. Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not commit adultery. Thou shall not steal. Thou shall not bear false witness against one’s neighbor. These are the most known amendments of the bible and ironically, the least followed in today’s society. Some people might argument that the ten commandments of God are inaccurate and its origins are false. Others might argument that such were, and continue to be a way for the clergy to manipulate the actions of the devoted believers’. Regardless of its origins and a possible conspiracy theory, the reality of the Ten Commandments is that these have turned into laws all around the world in order to prevent a reign of chaos. If compared critically, the Ten Commandments serve the same function in society than our current laws and policies, to protect every individual against threat or harm. Similarly, it is illegal for a person to assault his or her parents, to kill, to be married to more than one woman at once, to steal and to press false accusations to another person in the court of law. In this manner, the Ten Commandments along with the common laws and policies of the world strive to protect the well-being of society members. While Fromm arguments that “obedience is a virtue and that disobedience is a vise” illustrating this through religious beliefs and examples, the author disregards that obedience is a central aspect to reach harmony in society and neglects to reach out to a larger non-believer audience.
1.)The article that I will critique is "The Perils of Obedience" by Stanley Milgram.
8.)In "The Perils of Obedience," Stanley Milgram describes what occured during the eperiment he conducted at Yale University. According to Milgram humans obey authority unconditionally as long as they are not held responsible for any negative consequences. The form in which Milgram wrote the article leads the audience to believe that the subjects in the experiment will continue shocking the other "participant" as long as the authority figure agrees to take responsibility for the other persons health. In the video of the actual experiment it is clear that the subjects are not only concerned about not assuming any responsibility but of the other "participants" health too. The analogy that Milgram presents is biased because he the results he uses got from only one scenario to apply it to all humanity.
Alma Soriano (I forgot to write my name in the previous entry)
1.)The article that I will critique is "The Perils of Obedience" by Stanley Milgram.
8.)In "The Perils of Obedience," Stanley Milgram describes what occured during the eperiment he conducted at Yale University. According to Milgram humans obey authority unconditionally as long as they are not held responsible for any negative consequences. The form in which Milgram wrote the article leads the audience to believe that the subjects in the experiment will continue shocking the other "participant" as long as the authority figure agrees to take responsibility for the other persons health. In the video of the actual experiment it is clear that the subjects are not only concerned about not assuming any responsibility but of the other "participants" health too. The analogy that Milgram presents is biased because he the results he uses got from only one scenario to apply it to all humanity.
Liliana Siguenza
Group Minds by Doris Lessing, profoundly states in a concise manner how opinions and decisions are affected within a group setting and individualism is completely elapsed.
A group of about seven to nine men wait for a psychological experiment. The individuals are told by the experimenter that they well be comparing the lengths of lines. At the beginning, of the experiment everyone seems to agree with the lengths of the lines, but after the third round an individual becomes the minority. The man disagrees that the set of lines are the same, but he is not aware that the answers of the majority were prearranged. As he hears the responses of the others he seems unease and begins to feel intimated and hesitates when he shares his answers. He begins to question himself even though he’s right. The experiment represents the ideas of Doris Lessing, as it demonstrates that even though we claim that we are “free individuals,” our behavior within a group clearly does not support it due to individualism is slowly swayed into group thoughts instead of one’s individual thought. Western societies claim that we are free individuals, but it is beyond that, as our behavior does not fulfill this ideology. Lessing states some vital points, society may not be aware of their actions or the act of influence that a group has. In groups settings it is difficult to maintain one’s own contrary opinion as groups’ pressure and hinder opinions.
--Alex
I liked the perils of Obedience because of the message it is sending out, which is humans are weak against authority. They can even kill a person of others give them the ok.
People hate being shown their weaknesses and being told that they have them. In "The Perils of Obedience" Stanley Milgram shows just this that humans are very weak. They will do just about anything if an authoritative figure tells them to do so. They do this because they don't feel that they are responsible for what they do but, this shows how the human mind can be manipulated so easily. The message that is sent out is very strong but, the way the experiment was done could have been better.
Lara Rich
1/29/09
Krut
Writ Ace 2
1. The essay I liked the most was "Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral Problem" by Erich Fromm. I liked this essay because Fromm included many valid points that I agree with and used imagery and good examples to do so.
8. Many different factors have contributed to the development of humans and their societies over the past thousands of years. This includes geographical changes, the advancement of science and technology, and the creation of new belief systems. Some aspects cannot be controlled by humans themselves, but others are the sole creation of humanity. When a new idea is created, an individual must step away from what is the cultural norm or popular belief. This is why I agree with the points presented by Erich Fromm in his essay "Disobedience as a Psychological and Moral problem". Fromm believes that without disobedience there would have been little human development even going as far as to say "human history began with an act of disobedience". He uses many valid points to support his ideas, and the way in which he incorporates the examples is interesting informative.
Yesenia Emestica
Writing 2
1.Disobedience as a psychological and moral problem:
The author explained how civilization looked down upon disobedience, however though disobedience is seen as a sin, a person has only become free through acts of disobedience by learning to say no to power.
2. Since the beginning of mankind, humanity has always perceived disobedience as a sin. Though disobedience is rejected by society we have witnessed how the acts of disobedience have helped our civilization move forward, opened our eyes and help us gain our individuality.
Luis Ceja
1) The article that caught my attention was Opinions and Social Pressure by Solomon E. ASCH because it shows and articulates good points of how social influences shape ones practices however there are ways one can argue against it.
2) Solomon E. ASCH shows and articulates good points in his article Opinions and Social Pressure on how social influences shape every persons practices, judgement and beliefs. However one may argue that even though this does occur at times, when an individual gives up his self opinion and thoughts in exchange for the groups, it does not occur all the times. There are times when an individual was strong enough in Solomon's experiment and was able to stand on his own with his believes and logic and did not fold into the groups social pressure.
Alfredo J Torres
1.The essay that stood out the most was the one called “The Perils of Obedience: Stanley Milgram”
The Milgram Experiment is a fundamental experiment towards understanding human obedience I agree with the findings because many people are raised to listen to a higher power, the experiment was artificial but to some extent this experiement is valid towards understanding human behavior.
2.During the Hitler and Stalin Era many young men joined the nazi regime and followed obediently orders from higher commanding officers to execute many innocent people. The Milgram experiment was established to understand why people would inflict damage to others if ordered by higher commanding officers in this case a scientist. This experiment reveals fundamental results towards understanding human obedience, but many argue that this experiment does not have the sense of high urgency people faced in past times. During the experiment many people felt remorse but would go on to inflicting high amounts of pain through electrical shocks as they were given the role of a teacher that would inflict pain to increase the learners knowledge. The recorded data helped Milgram understand that similarly to the Stalin and Hitler era many people would obey since they were the mediators of the higher commanding officers and understood that the responsibility was left to the higher power. The disobedient subjects were rare and essential towards understading that disobedience can at some point be a good characteristics but at certain times.
Adriana Reyna
January 29, 2009
Writing 2/ ACE
1. The essay I like the most was the “Review of Stanley Milgram’s Experiment on Obedience” because it describes the bias that can exist within the this experiment.
2. The review of the Milgram experiment portrays a very important aspect not likely considered within the original study. Yes, many subjects of the experiment went along with the applying shocks to the other person, but the fact that they were at an IV school such as Yale made the experiment more credible. When the experiment was conducted in another private institution the percentage of subjects who finished performing the shocks went down. “Authority and Excuses” ties in with this review because it states certain aspects of “authority” that might affect people, and the way they acted during the Milgram experiment. The article shows that the subjects were people trying to do a common good by assisting in the experiment but within this study they ended up doing something considered morally wrong.
3. “They had every reason to believe that the experiment was conducted by responsible people. They had never before heard of tortures, killings, inhumanity, or immorality associated with modern scientific experiments.” (61)
4. The essay was presented in a very adequate academic form. The beginning of the essay summarizes the Stanley Milgram experiment, which allows for the reader to understand the experiment even if they have no previous knowledge of this information. Variation of length between the paragraphs is well connected to the essay because there are certain parts that are more important than others. Overall the form is precise, and it allows for the argument especially in the conclusion to be stronger.
5. For instance, in the conclusion the author says, “…what people cannot be counted on is to realize that a seemingly benevolent authority is in fact malevolent, even when they are faced with overwhelming evidence that suggests that this authority is indeed malevolent.” (61)
6. The approach the author took to present the information was the best manner. For example, specific facts stated at the end of his article makes the content more credible. In this case the form is important in order to get the message across the audience. The length of the essay also provides with a quick sense of the argument without having to read a lot of material that might get the reader to drift away before getting to the conclusion.
7. The content of the “Review of the Stanley Milgram experiment,” allows us to realize that there are other perspectives to this experiment. The study itself represents human beings to be people with lack of moral values and in some sense malevolent. Both the content and the form fit perfectly in allowing the reader to get a different sense of what the experiment is all about.
8. Moti Nissani’s article the “Review of Stanley Milgram Experiments on Obedience” depicts aspects that could have affected the subjects of the experiment to act accordingly. Although the Milgram experiment does seem to prove the point that people tend to follow authority, other aspects are not taken in consideration. Nissani says that the “…focuses for the most part on the reality of obedience, not on its underlying causes. “ Therefore; the Milgram experiment does not present a counterargument, and Nissani brings forth a different idea.
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